Have I Promoted A Scam? – Envestio
The short answer is: IT SEEMS SO (legal authorities to decide and confirm)
No one enjoys recording bad experiences, and writing about them is challenging but necessary to contribute to the whole experience and learning curve.
As a general reminder, the main purpose of this blog is to post my journey towards (hopefully) one million euros at some point, and as such it involves documenting all type of experiences that I encounter all the way long, the good, the bad and the ugly.
Following the Kuetzal scandal and its subsequent collapse, I suspected that there would be more concerning news in the industry, but not at the speed we’ve seen it over the last few weeks – my eyes see panic, uncertainty, lack of control of the situation, confusion and harmful speculation.
I’ll assume that readers know about what’s happened with Envestio. If you haven’t then that’s good news for you. I won’t detail the whole story on this post, but you can read more on these articles:
- https://eurocrowd.org/2020/01/22/ecn-reports-kuetzal-and-envestio-to-national-conduct-authority/
- https://explorep2p.com/envestio/
- https://www.p2p-banking.com/countries/baltic-millions-at-stake-in-envestio-case-investors-calling-for-answers/
- https://www.gatevnotes.com/envestio-technical-evidence/
Table of Contents
My apologies
Albeit I didn’t promote Envestio heavily on social media or paid any advertising, I reported the company as the best platform performer on many of my monthly updates and also highlighted it on other of my blog posts like this one.
I am conscious that my reputation as investor has never been in a good place since the start for many, as well as others have thought I had learned a big lesson, and hence, I should be taken more seriously.
Congrats on those who thought the first and I am terribly sorry for those who thought the second and used my links to join Envestio.
Results are the real evidence of any success or failure and that’s what counts whether we like it or not.
My total paid income from Envestio is 30.9 € (including unpaid), which tells me that I referred 3 or 4 people in total. It is not much since most of my readers are UK based and these platforms are European, but it still leaves an unpleasant feeling. Whether I
My Envestio loss , mistakes and thoughts
My Envestio portfolio has vanished even faster than my forex
Guesses could go on and on, I will leave it to the police to find out as it is their job.
So, it’s “laughing” time now! How much did I lose this time?
I deposited a total of 5,000 € and withdrew -1297 €
which means I contributed to my FIRE FIRED pot another 3706 €.
For the curious ones see my Envestio page updated.
Althought it is not a lot of money, it still sucks. But, what bothers me the most is to have promoted a “financial” company that has turned out to be what is most likely to be a total fraud
* Police hasn’t confirmed it yet, it is under an investigation.
At the moment I am hoping that there won’t be anymore, but some serious concerns are emerging about Wisefund. Read bottom edits on this post.
So, is there anyone to be blamed? Does a real millionaire mind blame others for his own acts?
Rich people believe “I create my life.”
Poor people believe “Life happens to me”
I know most people thinks that this is BS, which precisely highlights the same reason why most people aren’t rich.
Is it just a coincidence?
Major mistake
My mistake was to short cut due diligence time by relying on other people opinion and following the crowd. (also called a cheerleader blogger apparently).
But the thing is, how does someone working full time perform deep due diligence when I am lending my money to a hundred of microloans? Our time is our most valuable asset, is it worth to spend hours of research for a 100 Euros loan?
Diversification now seems to become a time killer and a big question surges to me?
Is investing in P2P for a 10-12% worth it anymore? Considering that it requires a large amount of time for due diligence?
Moving forward
The European P2P lending sector has obviously lost trustworthiness among investors (me included), especially on crowd investing companies or P2B platforms. I like to see this a simple P2P market correction that will benefit from improvement in the future. I avoid panicking, as I think it brings nothing positive to me or the current general sitiation.
I also believe that bloggers have massively contributed to the rapid growth of the sector without highlighting the potential risks an investor is facing with, and as such, has also multiplied the panicking reaction among P2P investors, who weren’t fully aware of the real risks, or simply never sensed the feeling of losing money before.
Obviosuly these are only my humble cheerleader opinions, no one has to agree to them.
So, now what?
As I commented on my one-year blog anniversary post I wasn’t sure where I would lead the blog next, (and hence my investment journey) and mentioned that dividend investing was making more sense to me than P2P.
Now I can confirm that this is the next direction I want to follow, which means that I will cash out money gradually from P2P platforms and allocate it towards other allocations such as dividend stocks. That will consequently change my millionaire plan statement, which will have to be revised at some point during 2020.
I also intent to charge my monthly reporting layout and limit my written thoughts about platforms.
I may remove my P2P allocation completly from my portfolio or just simply reduce it. Need some deep thinking, which means writting down a new blog post.
The FCA wants to restrict how P2P companies market products in the future by stopping mass advertising campaigns.
— Tony @ OneMillionJourney.com (@JourneyMillion) June 7, 2019
My question is:
Will that also affect online bloggers or the so called “influencers”? ?#P2P #lending #FCA #crowdlending #investinghttps://t.co/dqPkabCU18
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Good read! I have similar thoughts, but my plan was to gradually decrease my P2P portfolio from 30% to 20%. Thanks to Kuetzal and Envestio the decrease was not gradual at all.
Thanks Inve. In my case I wasn’t planning to decrease it, but seeing how poorly regulated Baltic platforms are has shrunk my risk appetite by a considerable margin.
All the best,
Sorry for your 3,5 k$ loss. Scams like that makes you return to the drawing board and rethink your strategy. This is why difersification matters. Well you cannot be safe from scam 100%. Even some of banks end up beeing a big scam. In my country we had 2 bank bankrupcies and it ended that owners of banks used deposits for their own “investment” needs. I also remember that there was one large scam eith pension fund in UK. You never know. Even your goverment might end up beeing one big scam ? You knoe my view on p2p investing, but this is something outside of high financial risk. Im afraid that brokers with zero fees might end up beeing scams as well. Personaly I have a deep fealing that some of most used commision free brokers are scams as well. This is why I keep my portfolio at bank and pay some fee for that.
Exactly, back to the drawing board. Having my portfolio distributed between two countries with two different currencies amid of uncertainty is such a challenge.
P2P seemed like an easy approach to keep the euro side of my portfolio growing and taxed once a year only while I contributed fully to my UK investments, but it definitely needs a reconsideration.
Scammers are everywhere that’s right, can’t trust anyone in this industry.
Sorry to read about this loss, Tony. At least it’s not as big a loss as your algo one! I’m not surprised that you will slowly exit P2P, it’s what I did as I wanted to concentrate on the equities in my ISA and also I wasn’t comfortable with no FSCS protection. I’m still unable to get at my money with Property Moose, but I think eventually, I will get most if not all of it back from the company they sold the portfolio to.
It’s only a little tip of the iceberg this time 🙂
You eventually should, as far as I am aware, Property Moose was regulated by the FCA which strictly states that a third party must be appointed to control over the assets of a collapsed platform and deal with its investors. You may get less than you initially invested, as I am guessing that intermediaries want their stake. But , If your properties generated rental income on the meantime maybe that was their stake?
In the Baltics instead there’s barely any regulation at all, which increases fraud risk dramatically, as we’re experiencing, but I’d have never thought that an important player in the field would do a scam run like it has – it’s insane.
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